On this sad occasion of Islamabad blast, Presidential demonstration of
'competence' :
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0KXevmButj8--- In
Abdalian@yahoogroup s.com, omar ali <omarali502000@ ...> wrote:
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> Lets talk about Pakistan specifically. First of all, there is only
partial (very partial) democracy in pakistan now (thanks to the army
manipulating the process and destroying the judiciary before handing
over some power to pre-selected politicians) . Even so, these corrupt
political leaders generally have to talk to hundreds, even thousands
of people. They have to accomodate the demands of thousands more. They
have to give at least a little thought to what may happen in the next
election. On the other hand, the morons of the army high
command are
self-selected for incompetence and chaploosi. Their strategic vision
is infantile and dangerous in the extreme and has brought us to this
state. They have never listened to anyone except their senior
officers. Their only constituency is their own officer corps. They
came up with the amazing policy of training and arming proxy armies of
jihadists to conquer India and Afghanistan and beyond. They STILL want to
> keep some of that terrorist network in reserve. They have
undermined every instiitution in the country. They have created a
culture of secrecy, conspiracy and double-dealing where no one knows
who the real power is, who is an agent, what manipulation by what
intelligence agency is being carried out. Chief ministers and Prime
ministers were puppets and the public did not even bother to ask them
what is going on when huge events like the assasination of Bugti or
the killings in Karachi took
place....every province outside of Punjab
is rife with secessionists who regard the army as an occupying force.
MQM, SSP and other organizations were created and used by the army,
then killed, then rehired, until by now no one knows who is who and
where the bombs are coming from.
> And these morons still have their hands on the nuclear trigger.
> I am just amazed at how people can even begin to compare army rule
positively to even the worst form of democracy. On the other hand, its
not THAT surprising because in 50 years, most of the elite is itself a
product of army rule. Our uncles and cousins run companies and
organizations on behalf of this army...
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> --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Zia Kidwai <ziakidwai@. ..> wrote:
> From: Zia Kidwai <ziakidwai@. ..>
> Subject: Re: [Abdalian] Fw: Hamid Mir on FATA --- worth listening
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Abdalian@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:54 AM
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> Worst form of democracy is better than the best form of
dictatorship. Experiments in democratic governance readily reveal that
this system is far from perfect, however when given a chance to grow
and flourish, there is no better alternative. You are quick to give
examples of imperfections in democracies of the world ,while failing
to recognize the heavy price of Military activism and dictatorship.
One cannot blame a system that promises to empower the citizens,
because the remenants of dictatorship and it's after effects continue
to dominate the scene in one form or another.
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> From: Aatif Malik Hotmail <asmco1@hotmail. com>
> To: Abdalian@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:57:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Abdalian] Fw: Hamid Mir on FATA --- worth listening
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> Sohaib Bhai, I was listening to TV. Programme aired after election
and after musharraf have left. One thing which was commonly said by
most of the analysts was that Is democracy the right choice for
Pakistan. How many countries are there were there is real Democracy.
Developed or devolving. China - communism, France, USA,
Presidential form of Government, UK semi democratic as the highest
power still lies with Queen. India, yes there is but still see
how government struggles to keep itself in power. Sometime it succeeds
and most of the time leaders are blown away. One family rules in India
Gandhi. One family ruling in Pakistan -
Bhuttos and now Zardari. So
where is democracy. Is democracy the name of only electing people and
leaving them what they want to do. Or it is a constant struggle
against the masses running the country and putting their path on the
right way.
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> I am totally confused by seeing that elect them, leave them, see
them and if they do any harm throw them. Why not elect them, taunt
them, educate them, and dont let them do any harm. Where is your
lawyers movement. This is the right time to strike but all of them -
you see, they were not that much sincere to the cause posed by them.
It was a preplanned movement to tremble the Government
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> Subsidy on electricity is taken away by the Government Still there
is load shedding. Why? Which one of you is campaigning against
it. Nobody , and you will let do these elected morans for next five
years so that what they can do is in
five years and then throw them
away. I say why dont start campaigning now so that they should see
that people are rising and people know what they are upto.
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> Everybody has gone home having sweet dreams for next five years.
What sort of duty is this.
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> So many people put down so many suggestions, you never commented on
that or committed to any of a constructive suggestion. I am asking you
what part you are playing in stopping elected members of Parliament
for playing their part in stripping Pakistan in chunks.
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> I hope that you will continue conversation with me and not back
off, because I want you to play same role as you played
against Musharraf Government
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> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:44 PM
> To: Abdalian@yahoogroup s.com
> Subject: Re: [Abdalian] Fw: Hamid Mir on FATA --- worth listening
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> Atif,
> One can only smile at what you said and how your logical thinking
works!!!!!!! !!!!No comments but anyhow keep on enjoying.
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> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:20 AM
> To: Abdalian@yahoogroup s.com
> Subject: Re: [Abdalian] Fw: Hamid Mir on FATA --- worth listening
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> an eye opener.
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2008 at 3:52 PM, mohsin ali <mohsinaluna@ yahoo.com>
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http://pkpolitics. com/2008/ 09/19/hamid- mir-on-fata- situation/
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